imma go to bed, but one more thought, do french people think they have french accents? and on another level, do cats think they can meow? cos if you think about they might think they're imagining it cos it's not like there's someone communcating back? like if you had a button and you pressed it over and over and it did nothing and no one believed that you had a button even if you showed it to them would you not think that you're hallucinating the button? anyway gn