And finally, with or without capitalism, we would've become industrialized. Using the parts of today to make a life easier isn't a big deal and it isn't hypocritical; it is using information and resources we didn't have in the past to speed things up and make things easier. To be clear, we are talking about making a community where no one goes hungry, no one is homeless, no one freezes to death at night, capitalism is a world where people define ones worth off of how much they have and in order to have worth, someone else doesn't. That is an already broken system, communism isn't, it just needs a few adjustments to make it better. I would choose a system based on empathy and nature over a system that is manufactured and inherently selfish.

The farming question is also stupid. When it comes to agriculture, it takes 100 men to grow enough food for 10000 men, it always will because most plants grow in surplus, and even if they don't, we grow them in surplus. Things aren't expensive because farming is hard, farmers today constantly complain about how they have to manufacture supply and demand just to stay in business, so do restaurants and food chains, they have to throw food and products away just so they can sell things at a price that is livable, because of the fact that food is so abundant, especially in controlled environments.

There is so much trash in the world rn, just so much, more than we could ever hope to do anything with, and people use it to do incredible things all the time, like building homes from discarded car parts, or using clothing scraps to make things people actually use, there is SO much. Theres so many clothes in dumps rn that everyone could stop producing clothing world wide, and there would be 13 times more than enough for everyone in the world to have an equal amount of clothing. And that's just the clothing, thats not even considering the insane amount of discarded plastics and metals, ext. We could all stop production of the 10,000 most discarded items and we would have enough to recycle literally an equal amount of anything for everyone in the world. I'm not thinking of this stuff because it sounds nice, I'm looking at information already available in the world that we as a society can use to make things easier for eachother.

I'm sorry, and I want to continue this conversation, but I need to start by pointing out how stupid this response is. "If you wanna build a communist society to counter a capitalist one, why do you plan on starting it in a capitalist country." Let me just begin with the fact that everyone has to start somewhere. Arguing that people need to start completely from scratch is a part of the problem. You can't, not in a world where everyone depends on capitalism because, incase you looked outside, guess what, the global economy is capitalist. Even communist countries aren't actually communist, everything is capitalist. And instead of dreading on what I can't so and what I don't have, I focus on what I do and what I can because I care about making a difference and better world for people? NO ONE can start from totally scratch, but we can start SOMEWHERE. And that is what I, and every other commune in the world is trying to do rn. We put in the effort to do it because that's what you need to do. Anyways,